Get A Bucket Show
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In basketball the basic fundamental principle is to Get A Bucket! We study and admite the greatest bucket getters, but also those who assist, defend, rebound as all aspects lead to Getting A Bucket!! Remember, it's important that we listen and learn from one another, so make sure to tune in and let me know your honest opinions! Trying to help the world through sports conversation!!!
Get A Bucket Show
Donovan Mitchell: Star or Shaky? A Cleveland Fan's Perspective
Lindsay, a passionate Cleveland fan, shares her insights on the Cav's journey to potentially clinching an NBA championship. Discussions revolve around key players like Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland, as well as the importance of team dynamics and coaching strategies.
• Overview of Lindsay's connection to Cleveland sports
• Current state of the Cavs' league standings
• The significance of Donovan Mitchell in leading the team
• Team dynamics: Building chemistry and supporting each other
• The role of coaching and player management
• Upcoming challenges faced from rivals, especially the Celtics
• Addressing the emergence of women’s basketball with the Cleveland Rockers
• Conversations on LeBron's legacy in Cleveland
• Final reflections on team strength and fan unity
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Speaker 2:I'm on vibrate so it's a little easier to mark that's real, that's real, all right Ready. Yep.
Speaker 1:What's up everybody? It's your favorite show's favorite show. Get a bucket. I'm your host train, as usual. Hope you're all having a wonderful, wonderful day. Now on the audio version, y'all might not be able to see on the screen, but for the video, you know, we gotta, we gotta guess on the screen. You know, you know how we do. It's lindsey, it's lindsey lindsey. How is everything with you?
Speaker 2:things are good, despite what we can say with all the things going around us politically. But I will say that sports has kind of given. Sports and books have given me a break from the madness. I guess you could say as in I try to tune out the rest of that and pretty much all I'm looking at is sports and reading is kind of what ties in my time nowadays.
Speaker 1:That's fair. That's fair. Sports maybe not reading, unless you count manga, which I did slip on, but definitely sports has been captivating my attention. Tv shows and movies as well, but definitely sports. So I'm glad we both. Glad we both here and correct me if I'm wrong, cause ladies and gentlemen, just for just, she's a, she's a she's my calves fan. I think she got calves on. Actually, as we see, I do. Yeah, yeah, and I talked with her very briefly and I I deemed her as a certified calves fan, I mean anybody who?
Speaker 1:said they're calves fan. After braun gone, you should think they're calves fan. But like I talked with her, she a Cleveland fan. Ladies and gentlemen, she know her sports a little bit Across the board. We'll talk a little bit about it. But, lindsey, like yo Cavs, we're not going to hem and haw too long. Yo Cavs, yo Cavs is looking all right right now. Talk to me a little bit. Talk to me a little bit. Talk to me, I'm probably gonna get you on the soapbox. Right, you're gonna get you on the soapbox. Give us about 30 seconds worth of reasoning why your Cavs, who are rated number one in the, in the in the league, yes, at least in the east.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. We're definitely number one in the east and we're we're what point? Uh, plus up 700 points to beat against Boston out of all. Definitely number one in the East, and we're plus up 700 points to beat against Boston out of all teams that are in the top 10 right now.
Speaker 1:I mean, y'all got a decent little resume this year. Give us 30 seconds on why your team should win it all this season.
Speaker 2:The Cavs should win it all because we have Donovan Mitchell and our coach knows how to use the backcourt and he knows how to make sure that Donovan shines when he's needed, but he also knows when to rest him so that he is ready for the playoffs and he's not injured anytime soon. And he's definitely built a great reform with the team where they can all get along and actually like each other, and I think that too has been an encouraging strength for them to want to push out, no matter what how the game is going, to make sure that we win and stay number top and get to go to the finals and win, get a championship.
Speaker 1:Respect. Ok, that was one well-timed, because I think't gonna lie to you, a lot of people who come off the show don't really do a good job at timing. They really don't. I appreciate you. Uh, too, okay, I you. You might have all right. Your coaching sound decent.
Speaker 2:Y'all sound like y'all got a good squad well, our squad won the um all-star weekend with our coach and his squad in the new format they had, which I didn't fully agree with the new format, but he did win with it All right, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:So tell me this then. Tell me this then, because I kind of have a little gripe. Okay, I've said this before. I'm not going to go on the soapbox. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Ladies and gentlemen, I've said this before. I don't believe you guys win the championship, mainly because I don't believe in Donovan Mitchell as your star, like, as your one option, the guy who's going to lead you to a team or to a championship. I don't think he's that guy. If he's your two, your number two, not your shooting guard, your number two, you're looking nice, number one, shaky, and that's what he is for you guys. I like Darius Garland. I've told people. If Evan Mobley's your number one, okay, cool, we have something, something. But that's how I viewed the squad again good team for all-star caliber players on the squad. We've seen teams like that do well in the regular season, have expectations going into the playoffs and then not quite getting to that finals. A la the uh, atlanta halts, right. When they had four all-stars a couple years ago actually, it was a decade ago, dang, that was over. Yeah, that was a decade ago.
Speaker 2:Dang, that was over a decade ago. Yeah, that was a while ago.
Speaker 1:Woo, showing age right there. But, like, what's your thoughts on what I just said? Do you believe in Donovan Mitchell being the star for your Cavs? And then do you see your team going further than that Hawks team did, which I think they got to the second round, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2:Well, we did get the second round last year, but I don't think with our past coach that the team was gelled enough to give the support to Donovan. So I hear you, or maybe Donovan shouldn't be our first, but also I feel that I don't think he strives every game to be the first. I think sometimes he lets. If Evan is on point, he lets Evan. If he lets DG, you know, lead it, he lets him lead it and I think just that overall support of the team, that and the coach knows where everybody's strengths are, I think he. I definitely love that. We have like a two-man defense at times and he'll play and Evan could shoot three, but also he can defend and he can get buckets, you know, off the rim and then you have, oh, shoot, here I go with oh, missing names or other big guy with the.
Speaker 1:I would just say Jared Allen, jared Allen.
Speaker 2:Yes, jared Allen, ja, so Ja, we have Ja too, which Ja will have, will have his moments too, and I think they can feed off of each other. So I just think that the coach looks bigger at using everyone's strength and he doesn't have to make Donovan the star. Every game he actually has been sitting out dominant. The most I think Donovan has been sitting out between both his teams that he's been on, you know, especially this season, because I think, if anything they know, the final goal is to be in the finals and is to win, and I think they are showing a statement that, yes, you have very talented players, but everybody's kind of in the nba for a reason, and if people deliver, you should give them that chance to prove that they're delivering, and when they're not, you get traded. We traded two and we got the player from the hospital. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1:That was the game last what?
Speaker 2:two days ago?
Speaker 1:Maybe deliver means a championship, because you know, luka did just get traded, so everything's in flux right now. Eric, nobody feels safe, nobody feels safe, nobody feels safe?
Speaker 2:Oh, definitely, and I'm surprised, you know, as I'm a Cavs fan. But I understand LeBron is in Lakers and they were struggling and who knew him? And Luka could actually play pretty well, so that is on the horizon also.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now using LeBron right. Do you envision him going to your cast? I will say this A couple of years ago it was when Dame was still on Portland, actually and I was telling Dame I wanted him to stay because, for his legacy, if he's able to win a championship with Portland, which I thought was actually doable, if he stayed on the squad, all right, cool. Maybe that was a very uphill battle, but there's a world war that could have happened. Got you and in that same time frame I was thinking that braun might actually go to the cast because they were a small forward away. Uh, they did get deandre hunter who, ironically, we actually could have drafted with the fourth pick. Instead we traded for anthony davis, who is now on the math team. Um, so do you, do you think there's a world where braun leaves luca and my lakers and goes to your cast for a swan song?
Speaker 2:not this year. Um, and I don't know I mean what to not what. I think tomorrow's game they play, he, he's supposed to hit his 50,000 points and be the number one. I think that well one. I feel he went out to the Lakers because of being in LA and the camaraderie of that, because he did get so big and he wants to diversify his plate, like he has a lot of his friends celebrity friends do. But could he? I don't know if I actually see him finishing next year, next year or after this year, so to me it would be more so. When is he really thinking? Okay, I'm kind of want to finish this out.
Speaker 2:Would he might come back to the Cavs, but also I, you know, in having our hopes when we win because I'm going to speak it into existence when we win the finals and the championship, would cleve would take the back? Because, honestly, there's already little talks. There's even been memes and talks of if we had the back, um, three players with kairi and lebron, could they do the same thing with how donovan and dG with the supporting cast that they had in 2016,. You know, like there's all these little combinations that come up. You know cause, yes, we only have 2016 to go off of winning a championship, but we rode the back off of LeBron and I just think that this year is showing that we don't. He was exhausted, I mean, in some of the memes and some of the things he was having to deal with. It's not saying his squad was horrible. You know we did come back. You know, still only team to come back from a 3-1 record in the finals.
Speaker 1:I have an asterisk by that finals. I just want to say because we keep bringing it up and I keep holding it in because I only give you a cast fan.
Speaker 2:It's Cleveland history here it's an asterisk by it.
Speaker 1:That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2:A. A win is a win. I mean when the quarter ends 4-4 to 0-0, whoever has the best score is going to win that game.
Speaker 1:All I'm saying is, if we don't suspend Draymond, this don't happen. That's it, that's it, that's the. That's it, that's it, that's it, you know what I'm saying, but y'all won them.
Speaker 2:Y'all won them. To me it shows how the NBA changed so much because Draymond in the 90s would have been perfect, he wouldn't have fouled out His roughness. Actually I don't mind, as in someone telling my age, age who, like you, know the roughness that came with how the 90s, with basketball, before the NBA, made their, protect the players, I guess you could say rules in a sense.
Speaker 1:It would have been interesting how Draymond, how Draymond did back in the 90s, I think personality wise, he could have fit. But yeah, that would have been, that would have been interesting. That definitely would have been interesting. Fit, but, yeah, that would have been. That would have been interesting, that definitely would. I was more so talking about when they gave him both Draymond and Braun a technical and it upgraded Draymond's only to a flagrant, even though Draymond was the victim in the scenario. But we will talk about that another okay, so back to.
Speaker 2:Will LeBron come?
Speaker 1:well, no, actually, actually, you said something, and it was very interesting. You said when you win the finals. You said when, yes. So that begs my question, and I mean, let me just you know, do this real quick, okay, which one of these teams are you most scared of? Because, yeah, y'all at the top and I did have to check y'all at the top of the NBA, right? Yeah, y'all ahead of the OKC Thunder by a game right now, I believe. But you got the Celtics, knicks, pacers, bucs, pistons, look and eye Heat. They don't got Jimmy, no more, but they could be scary Magic, they did just lose Jalen Suggs, though. Are there any teams up here? Maybe the Hawks too? Are there any teams that scare you from getting to the championship?
Speaker 2:so still the celtics. We, our celtics games are always so damn close. They're always nail biters. I mean, everyone is still talking about how they were up the first quarter by 22 points and still lost, though, but still they. You know they. They're still the past championships. They are still been in the finals more times right now than we have. So they have the experience. So there's still competition. I kind of agree with Stephen A Smith. I don't think the Knicks are competition anymore and the Bucs. It depends, because I went to the game in December when we played and they only had their top man what's his face? The one you just mentioned, who was at Portland.
Speaker 1:Oh Dane.
Speaker 2:Dane. Dane was out the game and we blew them by 30 points and they had the number one rated person that they wanted to see in the NBA All-Star game. Yeah, so it's like that was a fun game to see.
Speaker 1:I mean it is one game, though you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:It don't tell the whole story, but I get you, though You're saying that but people ride so hard on Cleveland off of one game, so you could say that it's just one game, but we get criticized every single one game as soon as Cleveland does bad, because if we had lost the celtics, everyone oh they're not finals coming dead of a one game, which we had already won one game, and now we're two and two with the celtics.
Speaker 2:So you say that it was just one game, but everybody rides the calves off of just one game and it can just say they'll take us I mean okay, so I, I, I hear that, I hear that oh and lastly, I will say the heat, because the heat have given us some trouble in the past and during the regular season but see, it's a different heat team, though see, they don't have jimmy jeffrey jordan, like I call him jimmy butler.
Speaker 2:Ladies and gentlemen, like he played, just like his daddy but I'm just saying, if you, if I think of what games we've had this season and we have lost 10 games, and I think of the 10 games that we've lost, where a lot of like three or four of those we only lost by one or two points, which really sucked, but still we lost.
Speaker 1:Slight flex, slight flex. We barely lost 10 of these games.
Speaker 2:It's the reality of it, you know, but we still lost. So those are kind of my top teams that I feel will give us some trouble. And you know, and I guess we'll see with the top, whoever's the last one number 10, will play them for the first round. I definitely see us getting to the finals Now. Okc gives us a big one for our money because I see them getting to the finals now. Okc gives us a big one for our money because I see them getting to the finals like but there's a meme out there now how the nba might screw that over. They don't want to see that. They don't want to see a calves okc, they want to see a laker and boston game I, I was.
Speaker 1:I was actually gonna ask you about that because I think boston LA, you got, luka, you got, you know, they just played the Mavs. I just talked about this on my show.
Speaker 2:I get you but when we played. Okc both times. It was one of the highest rated games of watched in the NBA season.
Speaker 1:It's right after the season, though, like um, I don't know on paper. On paper it sound cool.
Speaker 2:On paper it does, but when you also think about the history of the games, though it garnered the views, and the NBA cares about the views well it does.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna say which gets more views Shea versus Donovan Mitchell or Luka and Braun on the Lakers versus JT and JB on the Celtics? The Celtics can go back to back or LeBron could win his fifth ring. Luka could win his first, get his redemption. It breeds the Lakers-Celtics rivalry. That breeds more viewership. Hell, even the Nuggets brings in more viewership just because you get Yoki back. You know what I'm saying. I think, just I think. One, it's too early for OKC and two, like I said, I just don't believe in Donovan Mitchell as y'all star to get y'all over the hump.
Speaker 2:Because you're going to need a star to get you over the hump.
Speaker 1:ladies and gentlemen, You're going to need one. And y'all fighting an uphill battle versus the Celtics. I think y'all lose. Hold on, let me make sure. Yeah, I think y'all lose to the Celtics. I personally think, even though it could be a close one, because, again, evan Mobley X Factor I do believe y'all could lose to the Knicks. That would be a good. I would want to lean the Knicks, but you know there's a little bit.
Speaker 2:We haven't lost them yet, but, yes, things get.
Speaker 1:I feel you, I feel like it to the finals, I mean I do feel you, I do, I do hear you, I do hear you. Uh, the bucks, I would favor um all right so here's the thing.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing hulks. They always in this position to be in the play-in and they always surprise the squad and I would favor you guys in that matchup, but I can't hold you. I almost want to expect a sweep, but I can see that going six to seven games too, because the Hawks are actually okay Like they're actually okay. Again, I expect y'all to to seven games too, because the Hawks are actually okay, Like they're actually okay. Again, I expect y'all to win that matchup, though I'd be very disappointed if y'all lost.
Speaker 1:Oh, I would too, yeah, but that would be a real super.
Speaker 2:I misheard you. I thought you said Knicks. You would see us get beat Hawks. I definitely think we could go seven rounds, but I'm going to tell you too I feel like the NBA pushes for seven games, no matter what, no matter what conference.
Speaker 1:They want the viewership.
Speaker 2:They want. You know it brings money.
Speaker 1:It does. I think it depends on the game.
Speaker 2:I felt that for a long time I felt that, since really LeBron's been in the game, I feel like they've been pushing to try to get everything to seven games so that they can continuously get the money.
Speaker 1:I think it depends on the matchups and the timing. For example, if we see Shea versus Ant, like OKC versus the Wolves in the first round, I think that will go potentially seven games, just because that's a rivalry they're trying to package up. So it's like I could see something like that, but not every matchup. Like if y'all got who's a team, like if y'all got put up against, oh, the Pistons, respectfully, I wouldn't. Or no, the Bulls, yeah, that's better, because the Pistons they only come up, but the Bulls they're not putting that for no reason. Nobody's going.
Speaker 2:That should not go seven games, so I don't think every series. It shouldn't it just depends.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I'd be very disappointed if that one was seven games.
Speaker 2:Now I understand why you're saying that cooler or more of a people want to see with the Lakers and the Boston Celtics. You know you got Lakers with their two star players and then you got the past champions. But you also you have first and first if it's OKC and Cavs.
Speaker 1:So even in the smaller markets.
Speaker 2:It is one versus. You know you have the best of the East and the best of the West going for the finals. I still think they can sell it.
Speaker 1:I hear you, I hear you, I hear you, until I remember the Jazz team, when they were number one and people were saying nobody respected them.
Speaker 2:So again, and that's another thing when we win the finals, they still won't respect us. They didn't want to respect us coming out of the 2016 finals winning.
Speaker 1:Because you sound extremely confident. I halfway want to make a wager with you somehow.
Speaker 2:Nothing financial.
Speaker 1:Nothing financial. Be something fun. Be something fun. Let's think about it, we'll come back. I did want your thoughts on this too right, because we talked about Cleveland and we were talking about the WNB. Y'all see the sweatshirt and you were telling me about what's the team name? The Rockers, the Rockers. That's what we're calling them. It's talked about the Rockers, the Rockers. It's talked about.
Speaker 2:They're trying to call it the Cleveland Rockers, based off of the owner of our place is Rockin' Mortgage, which is Dan Gilbert owner of that. So I think it's a playoff of Rockin' Mortgage Rockers because it's a brand new team. But again, naming teams I haven't always been crazy because they pick the guardians for our baseball team. I hate that name. I'd rather stay with indians or just call it the cleveland baseball team. I do not like the guardians so I'm not 100 with the rockers, but cleveland is a sports team. So if we do bring the rockers because We've had a indoor football team too at one point, the Junior League football team. Now we have the Junior League NBA team. I forgot what they're called we have the G League team that's been pulling out. I hear a lot of good attendance for games.
Speaker 1:And some of those players have been brought in. G League games are actually not bad and, believe it or not, too, you might be able to do like a little halftime half-court or like free throw shooting or whatever. Like they picked me randomly one time, Like it's actually not bad.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's not. And they picked one of our older buildings that they've renovated inside but kept the classic look of it, so it's actually a pretty-ass basketball game to go to. It's like you wouldn't expect it, like the decor of the building is not your typical stadium kind of like look. So since they've renovated an old building, but also some of the G League has been playing with the Cavs too.
Speaker 1:So they've had that bridge going on also okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2:so I think with the Rockers, even though I'm not crazy about it, I definitely think with the whole shaping and the I call it a rebirth of you know, the interest with women in basketball, especially how it came from college, that being Cleveland being a sports team. You know, with the right kind of publication, the right people in the back office, depending on who we got on the team, it could do a lot in Cleveland and I would go to a game. I keep saying I want to go to a G League game when I'm home. I haven't made it to one yet because it's just this year they started and my time was kind of tied up last few times I was home.
Speaker 1:But I would definitely still go just to support. It's the intention, that's what matters. That would be kind of cool if it does happen in 2028. That's right around the corner. Here's my thing, though. Here's my thing I'm not really vibing with rockers. That's just me. I guess you too. You also said that you don't like the guardians, which I feel like I have two names in mind. Okay, so I'm gonna start with the one I feel like kind of resembles guardians um, it was, it was. It was the defenders cleveland defenders. I'm thinking y'all could be like a scrappy team basketball. You know I'm saying Defenders, cleveland Defenders. I'm thinking y'all could be like a scrappy team Basketball. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:Yay Nay.
Speaker 1:For the women's team. Yeah, for the women's team. I'm not really feeling. Defenders Okay, all right, that's fine, that's fine, that's fine, that's fine. How about the Cleveland Queens? I like that okay, you know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying queen, I mean.
Speaker 2:I mean I just I think women overall are queens in general, so but, and as we always see, it's gonna be more of us black beautiful queens that are gonna be in the league, so might as well be calling us queens on our team. I mean, I see it now. I can see the cleveland under the queen, you know on the sweatshirt, you know the crown and stuff. Oh, I can see that. Yeah, I can see queens.
Speaker 1:Alright, so we got queens, which again, when I wrote it it was first, but I wanted to see what Defenders sounded like, because you said Guardians you didn't rock with, so I just wanted to get that one out the way, yeah.
Speaker 2:You know I feel that fits more for, like a hockey team I don't know if I feel like that's for a basketball team Like I wouldn't want our Cleveland defenders like as far as they replace the Cavs name, like I wouldn't want that either.
Speaker 1:I kind of like the defenders. I ain't going to lie to you Like those were my top two choices, but like defenders I was all right with two now like, I like queens more, but the defenders I was cool with, bro.
Speaker 1:I also had to make sure I was like I don't know why the liberty didn't make their name. The queens like, yeah, that they could, they missed the, they missed the mark. I guess like. And then I guess the New York Kings Well, no, yeah, no, no, yeah. That wouldn't have gone well too. Sacramento's called theirs, it is what it is yeah, but.
Speaker 2:I want to say there was a past team. Someone on the football used to be Ravens before Baltimore was Ravens. I forgot which team that was, but someone was telling me Ravens wasn't a totally a new name for a football team.
Speaker 1:I just can't remember which team.
Speaker 2:I want to say it was somewhere south I'm feeling like Texas somewhere and around, but I could be wrong. I know definitely Ravens has been passed around for teammates.
Speaker 1:See, I got to do some research on that because I'm more of a basketball head.
Speaker 2:Oh, and we're definitely talking about that too, but I am a Clevelander, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I got to do my research on that. I don't know You're schooling me.
Speaker 2:I stick in for my Browns. I'm heavily into football, and when it's NBA season, I'm heavily into NBA. I'm into my Cavs. That's back to you. Everybody's like well, aren't you going to be a Lakers fan because LeBron, or aren't you going to be a Heat fan because LeBron is it? I said I'm not a LeBron fan, I'm a Cleveland fan. So whoever's in Cleveland, that is what I'm going to put my money, my betting, my investment in why I'm not even tearing up.
Speaker 1:Not not you tearing up, not the hercules, no, it's just. It's just. It's just so nice to hear somebody say they're a cleveland or a fan of the team and not because of braun, like I. I appreciate that like it is. It's nice to hear like I'm a I'm a kobe fan. I'm also a laker fan. So it's like it's nice to hear, like I'm a Kobe fan but I'm also a Laker fan. So it's like it's nice to hear Like I do get that people are player fans, but like it's nice to see some loyalty.
Speaker 2:Oh, I do have my favorite players, like when we had our back in the early 2000s and we were going against Boston and we had they had the KG. Ray Allen, I love Ray Allen. Since he was on Milwaukee Bucks, I had that jersey. I love Ray Allen. I loved him in the movies. I love Ray Allen, but I hated him when he played us against the Cavs. So I mean, I was an Allen Iverson fan, you know. So I had my players too. Lebron has never made it, you know, so I appreciate him. To be clear, to be clear were made it.
Speaker 1:you know I appreciate being just a kiddie. Were you cool with him when he first got there, like the first stint? Or you're saying you weren't really rocking with him then too? No?
Speaker 2:I've never been rocking with LeBron. I appreciate what he was doing for the city.
Speaker 1:I guess I'm only two years older.
Speaker 2:Wait, I'm only two years older than LeBron and, being from the city, we were in some of the same groups growing up, even though he was in Akron. His sights of being in basketball they knew early. He had his mother's boyfriend who was getting him in the talks and I kind of dated a lot of basketball players, so he was around like I knew of LeBron you know. So I was there for all the papers. This was back when we actually looked at papers, you know, for our plain deal.
Speaker 2:I was reading all the articles. My dad, my brother, my grandfathers, they were into it. You know, uncles, I got a lot of first cousins, second cousins or boys. I was embraced in it. And then when he got old enough to go to clubs, he was at the clubs with me when I would be in town from college, like, and he was.
Speaker 2:It was kind of annoying and I've told this to everyone now I'm about to actually make national news with talking about this. But like him and his makeshift crew people to protect him when nobody was sweating him was on my last nerve. So my personal interactions kind of also blocked, kind of liking him, you know, overall in character as a player, I will always respect him. I understand there's the back and forth between him and Michael, but if I was to pick, I'm going to pick Michael all day. Back and forth between him and Michael, but if I was a pick, I'm going to pick Michael all day, even though he did the shot on our Cavs to knock us out the game that time I'm still going to go with Michael as a play.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you rocked with Michael over Braun. Braun was y'all drafted. Braun he's from you. Know what I'm saying? He took y'all to the top. That's tough, I mean.
Speaker 2:But in history, yes, he took us to the final after he already had won Summit at the Heat. Mind you, he did go to Connecticut.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. I'm talking about the first stint, though.
Speaker 2:We all played the Spurs, but he was mad that he couldn't get any further and that he couldn't get any further and that he couldn't win a championship. He took his butt to Connecticut and told us in Connecticut that he was leaving. He couldn't. You know, I'm a Cleveland girl. It's kind of like how New Yorkers say you know, you come and tell me on my territory. You couldn't even tell me in my face in Cleveland that you were leaving.
Speaker 1:I get that. I get that. I didn't like the decision. I understood.
Speaker 2:It was an eight-hour show of what he was going to do. Then he did it in Connecticut and I will tell you this I know Dan was not putting the right people, the back office was not putting the right people around him. I know he was going to leave, we knew it, but the way he did it we couldn't respect it. We appreciate that he did come back after he got his, I guess, satisfaction of winning some championships, but it's still like. But he literally got one and left. So it was kind of just like you literally put eight years on our team. You went, you know was third round of conferences and a finals round and dipped but you just want to come back one round. Get it To me. That's not really loyalty to our team. You gave the Heat longer than us Shoot he's with the Lakers longer than he's been after he won the championship.
Speaker 1:I mean, I didn't expect that from you after he won the championship.
Speaker 2:I mean I I didn't expect it. I'm back to. I know his. His stats are very much well to be compared against michael. Is he the goat? He's not to go to my book.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna go with michael and all of that I'm I'm curious, uh, uh, just real quick.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Do you? Where do you have him ranked on your all-time like go conversation?
Speaker 2:He's in my top. He's in the top five.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:He's in the top five because so if I was having like a starting team, he would be my starting five. He wouldn't be on the bench, he would be my starting five because he does have a lot of heart with the game. I can't take that away from him and over his family. His wife that's my girl. She is a true Ohioan. I love his wife, okay.
Speaker 1:I love his wife. He likes everything about LeBron except LeBron. That is hilarious. I appreciate the consistency of these. I appreciate the consistency. That's that is hilarious. That's respectable, though Cause I do.
Speaker 1:I do think people would and I'm not. I'm not trying to get like again. I I understand why people put measure number two. I'm not going to try to argue y'all that y'all are wrong. I personally have Mike Kobe, timmy like Tim Duncan in order, because that's like that's five and one, that's six and oh, that's five and two.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying? Like that's a lot right there, bro. And there's offense and defense to boot with all three of those players. So I mean MVPs, finals, mvps. It's just tough. But I do understand why people put Braun there, and again, it is partly because of what he did for Cleveland going to the finals in 07. Even though I will say this is I've talked about this before but that only at least depending on when this is. You know I've talked about this before, but you know that only at least depending on when this drops. If it's before April, y'all are here coming up then a wonderful episode about how Braun did not carry that squad the way y'all think he did. That team was actually. He had a solid team. He had a solid team. It just wasn't the same.
Speaker 2:Oh I think so too, but I don't think we would have had the solid team if he hadn't left, though I think that did wake up our owner in the back office. That, because I don't think it was this whole. Oh, I'm going to write a letter and I'm going to come back. It was definitely a lot of talks. I definitely appreciate his management as my homie. That's why his name dropped that quick. That's marrying Adele.
Speaker 1:Marrying Adele.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the management crew that's over LeBron, that went to school with LeBron and he's made a real big name for him. He's engaged to Adele. Now I see his face. What's his name?
Speaker 1:Oh's the guy's name, oh my God, rich Paul.
Speaker 2:Yes, you know, like I definitely feel Rich was hearing LeBron and talking to our back office, like him coming back was not just an overnight choice, you know. Right, but I don't think Dan would have heard LeBon and what his needs were for that team to be the right kind of squad if lebron hadn't left. Okay, okay, so I definitely think that squad was in the making. It was, you know, I mean, we got kairi before lebron came and right like they fully, just couldn't fully carry it.
Speaker 2:They needed that extra person and I think before LeBron came and Kyrie was right, right like they fully just couldn't fully carry it. They needed that extra person and I think LeBron starts seeing that as the heat wasn't doing as good, you know, and I also think they had the younger kids at the time and I definitely think Savannah was in his ear Like maybe let's go back home for a little bit, you know, and so I think that was, you know, a coming of a time period that was supposed to happen. But again, I just he does. He reps Ohio State. Lebron reps Ohio State. He reps Akron. He's got the school there, that's got the partnership with Akron. U Like he's giving back to the city.
Speaker 2:But I don't know for him to see, as he fully doesn't have the full respect I feel of Cleveland, like the league doesn't. I'm just going to be real, because he still sees it as a small market and I think he always would. So it was more. He felt he had a debt. He paid that debt off and then he dipped and you fully can't be mad at it, because the time he was coming around it was about the single player, it was about the one, two people carrying a team, which that's why I'm hoping between OKC and us that coaches can make these overall teams, and it's not so much about one player, or two players, having all these stats that carry a team to make them a winner.
Speaker 1:I mean I will say this now to kind of go, I guess, back to the finals, right, um, before we close up, uh, okay, see, it's kind of led by shay, like that. That that man just had another 50 point burger, uh, or 50 burger recently. You know what I'm saying. Like it, it's, it's, it's to say team. Like it's to say team. I might actually think Boston over you guys, because again, we've seen them do it. We have question marks about y'all. So I think, like that's what this year, y'all have to beat Boston. Because, if not, I'm wondering about from a confidence perspective do y'all mentally think, oh yeah, now we can win? Because if y'all don't, I think mentally you guys lead Like somebody's going to look to lead at that point after, the season, y'all lose, I would think Like maybe running back.
Speaker 2:Possibly, and I think after any season, there's always a possibility of someone to lead. I mean, they're already talking about you. Know what's the tall one from DC? He's on the Sun.
Speaker 1:Kevin Durant.
Speaker 2:Oh, KD, you know talking about KD leaving again, you know, after the summer. So it's kind of like there's always a possibility and I'm not going to knock it. We needed that win against Boston for our confidence. There is still something about the confidence there, but I also think that we have had this season so much of great resound to show us what we can do, even though you go to the playoffs at zero, zero at that point. You know that I don't necessarily think someone would leave after this year. Now I think if we can't recreate it next year, I definitely think someone could leave. I could see someone wanting some trades and everything else. I think I look at it kind of, you know, to bring a little bit of football back to the Browns. You know, um, what's his face? All our defense, he wants to leave now. He, he saw us go to the playoffs, oh, Miles.
Speaker 2:Garrett yes, garrett, but now this past year we were terrible, you know, and it was kind of like. Now he wants to go. I think that could be a follow-up with the caps. I feel that, you know, even if we don't get as far, I still think we're gonna get to the finals and win. I'm not saying that. I just don't think anyone would necessarily want to leave right after this year, after all this momentum and things. So I think they think, yeah, we got there, but we haven't been a team that's been in the finals to have experience, you know. But now that we do, we can really ride off of that in the next year and do even better, you know okay I get that.
Speaker 1:I get that like I think if y'all because y'all made, y'all brought over deandre hunter, I felt like that was a move, saying okay, this is the small forward that we're going to use and try to win a championship, not saying he's going to like take you over the hump, but he's that starting small forward, he's that missing piece.
Speaker 2:Oh, he definitely was.
Speaker 1:On the Hawks he was a near 20 point per game score.
Speaker 2:So oh, he definitely was, and steven a said to this day says we gotta steal like he was, like I don't know how cleaver's back office worked that shit out pretty much, because that's what he would have said but. I agree like that, what we had to trade like not saying we didn't like the players we had they were good on the team too, but he was what we needed and again just to show how we sat out donovan mitchell this past game and he carried us.
Speaker 2:You know, I think that is the balance that sometimes we need because if we think back to that year 2015, 2016 there were times Kyrie carried it for LeBron. You know, lebron I call it when he's not in the game. You know his head's not there, he's something in social media and the media is going on and LeBron was a book Kyrie carry it. So I think between dg evan, mobley and hunter, like these people can give donovan that support and I think donovan will be smart enough to know if I can win the game I'll step back okay, okay and that's what he does.
Speaker 1:I do agree with that. However, I will say this um, a lot of times when I bet money on fanduel and I'm betting on donovan mitchell, I just put him down for 20. And I'm like he'll sell sometimes and I can't get, I, I can't, I can't have him sell in the playoffs like he cannot do that. Yeah, because as much as we want to rag on braun right, I can, I can harp about the 3-1 comeback all day, he still did play him and kairi boogie, like I can't, I can't knock them. So he's gonna have to, we're gonna.
Speaker 1:If we're gonna say that, you know, braun was the star and kairi was batman, donovan mitch going to have to play like a star and, yes, somebody is going to have to rise to the level of a Batman, which I do think it could be DG. I would love if it was Evan Mobley. That tells me that Evan Mobley might be able to make another jump and surpass Donovan Mitchell. Maybe the team stays intact because they see a future in place. But if we all can't do that, I don't know, some people might want to consider leaving. I got to see y'all do it until I believe. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, mindy, we're going to have to try to find a bet before the playoffs start.
Speaker 2:I like proving people wrong. I like putting the right energy out there. I'm going to put the playoffs start. I like proving people wrong and I like putting the right energy out there. I'm going to put the energy out. Trust me, we got a whole lot of fans that I see online all the damn time. Our games have been selling out before we even had this great run. They know they got the city behind them. I think that I feel that we can do more, but, true, I'll give my hats off to you, like true sports fans. I respect where y'all coming from. Y'all don't have to have the backing you know of the. You know optimism that you know us calves true calves fans have. So we're just gonna have to deliver that's fair.
Speaker 1:That's fair. And I'm very surprised you actually did not say Cavs versus Lakers, because there's a chance that y'all could beat us, because then y'all have the interior advantage. So may and we're not. We're not good at guarding the guards. I'm not. I'm not gonna lie to you. If you have a good guard on your team, they're probably gonna spank ours so well.
Speaker 2:I don't see the Lakers getting past OKC. It's not in my opinion.
Speaker 1:Ok, well, I mean, I don't know, that's a tough one. That is a tough one. We don't have the interior presence for them, but no matter that the NBA wants to see the Lakers in Boston.
Speaker 2:I don't think the Lakers are going to make it to the finals, so I understand what the NBA wants to see. I don't think it's going to happen though. So even making it sorry, I know that's your team, but I don't see it.
Speaker 1:As a Laker fan, I got to say there is a world where we do win or at least get to the finals. If you're saying, I'm not saying we're the favorites, though, to do it. So I'm going to be real about it. I'm going to be honest, point in time. I don't think you're the favorites this year, even though we are like number two in the rankings. Point in time. You know, I'm just saying it is.
Speaker 2:It might be an uphill battle, so, but and I think you guys think it's gonna be uphill battle for us and it could be an uphill, but I think, if anything at this point, I think the only team that it might not be uphill battle is boston real talk, because they are the past champions. And when I say it's uphill battle, you have the people having this confidence that they're going to do it again but I also see that they are number two in the league right now.
Speaker 2:So people are saying it might not be as easy as it was for them, how it was last year to now.
Speaker 1:It might not be, but then also too, yeah, you got more eyes on you. A lot of people have the target. You have a target on your back, so you got to bring it all the time, and sometimes the Celtics don't bring it. That could cost them. They do shoot themselves in the foot sometimes, but that could cost them. They do shoot themselves in the foot sometimes. But, like we said about the Cavs, they do got to prove it, because back-to-back does sound nice. But, lindsay, no, I ain't going to lie to you.
Speaker 1:I greatly appreciate this, ladies and gentlemen, we even said we were only going to talk for no more than like 30 minutes. Clearly we went a little longer than 30. We apologize, but this was a good conversation. So, lindsay, I definitely appreciate you. Hopefully you come back onto the show. Oh, yeah, well, thanks for having me. I definitely come back. Oh, definitely, definitely, we gotta get you, uh, because you you sound like you're a wmba fan as well too, especially when you said old school hoops. So, uh, I got some names that I'll probably throw out for the wmba draft, which comes up in april, if I'm not mistaken so um, yeah, april 14th.
Speaker 1:Yeah, april 14th. So we'll try to get you on board for that one as well too, but do you have anything you want to say before we close up shop?
Speaker 2:No again, thanks for having me on. I definitely will come back. You know I definitely try to embrace myself in being a true Cleveland fan, so I know a little bit about everything. Everything is sent to my DMs. People know I'm a Cleveland so I appreciate you, knowing me as a friend, know that I'm a Cleveland fan to have me on. So thanks again. Oh yeah, Anytime.
Speaker 1:Like I said, when I actually thought you were a Cavs fan, I was like interesting, Because I don't see anything really Braun related up here. So let's explore that a little bit. So I'm glad we had a good little banter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I. You know, I grew up with it. I grew up around a lot of males. My father and my brother are big sports fans, so you know we have thick skin. I had to grow up with it and it hasn't gone anywhere since.
Speaker 1:I appreciate it. I appreciate that. Well, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, as y'all have heard, it's a wonderful episode. Like we said, we greatly appreciate Lindsay for coming on to the show. Y'all definitely hear her again sometime. And with that, ladies and gentlemen, I hope you like subscribe, comment, tell anyone who's anyone about the show. My name is Trey. I'm the host of Get a Bucket. Hope you all have a good one. Take care.